Harris family from about 1777

Some South Australian Families


John HARRIS

Father: unknown - but see notes below
Mother: unknown - but see notes below

Family: Jane ???? (or Joan????)

Marriage: unknown - but see notes below

Children (possibly others):

  1. John HARRIS baptised 2 October 1777, Chepstow, Monmouthshire, Wales (mother shown as "Joan" in Bishop's Transcripts)
  2. James HARRIS baptised 7 May 1779, Chepstow, Monmouthshire, Wales (mother shown as "Jane" in Bishop's Transcripts)
  3. Richard HARRIS
  4. William HARRIS
  5. Godfrey HARRIS (mother shown as "Jane" in Bishop's Transcripts)
  6. Elizabeth HARRIS
Source: Will of John Harris (d 1827), blockmaker from Chepstow (National Archives)

Notes on John HARRIS - b ~1756
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It's possible that John HARRIS, born about 1756, blockmaker of Chepstow, was the son of another John HARRIS, a blockmaker from Bristol. The following entry is in a document of marriages Llandaf 1701-1750 (Dynion) from the National Library of Wales:

HARRIS, John, blockmaker, bach, St Stephens, Bristol, GLS. 1749, Mar 27. At Llanfair Disgoed or Mounton. Susanna Stevens. B. 12/25.

The complementary Merched (Bride) document shows that Susanna Stevens was from Chepstow:

STEVENS, Susanna, sp., Chepstow, MON. 1749, March 27. At Llanfair Discoed or Mounton. John Harris. B. 12/25.

Llanfair Disgoed and Mounton lie to the west of Chepstow.

It is possible that these are the parents of John HARRIS (b~1756) and that he or his father might have started the blockmaking business in Chepstow (perhaps because of Susanna's family link to Chepstow). John HARRIS (m 1749) was a blockmaker in Bristol at marriage and possibly continued to live in Bristol for a few years at least after the marriage. According to trades directories of the time a blockmaking business run by blockmakers with the surname Harris continued in Bristol well into the 19th century.

Sharon Goodwin (Parish Register UK Lookup Exchange) has provided the following baptisms from Bristol:

St Augustine (adjoins St Stephens, Bristol)

  1. John son of John & Susanna HARRIS 15.05.1756
  2. Henry son of John & Susanna HARRIS 20.07.1760
  3. Amelia dau of John & Susannah HARRIS 27.02.1763
  4. Hester dau of John & Susanna HARRIS abode Frog Lane, Warren's Court 15.05.1768
It's possible that this is the family of John HARRIS and Susanna STEVENS (m 1749) and thus the family of John Harris (b~1756) but more concrete evidence is needed.

I've been unable yet to find a marriage of a John HARRIS to a "Jane" in the Chepstow area around 1777 but there are two entries on the IGI as follows:

  • John HARRIS (21y - ie born about 1756) married Joan PONDRY (21y), 9 JAN 1777, Tidenham, Gloucester, England (Batch number 7004114)
  • John HARRIS married Joan PENDRY, 12 JAN 1777, Tidenham, Gloucester, England (Batch number M057771)

    It's likely that these records describe the same marriage. As Tidenham is just over the border from Chepstow it's possible that this is the relevant marriage but, again, more concrete evidence is needed.


  • Godfrey HARRIS

    Father: John HARRIS
    Mother: Jane ????

    Family: possibly Mary HOPKIN

    Marriage: possibly 19 February 1808, Chepstow, Monmouthshire (source: Llandaf 1801-1837 [Dynion] - National Library of Wales)

    Children (possibly others):

    1. Jane HARRIS christened 26 December 1808, Chepstow, Monmouthshire, Wales
    2. John HARRIS
    3. George HARRIS b 1818 (see note under John HARRIS below
    4. Richard HARRIS christened 27 June 1824 (FOD transcripts)


    John Evan HARRIS

    Father: Godfrey HARRIS
    Mother: possibly Mary HOPKIN

    Family: Mary Ann LUFF

    Marriage: 12 July 1838, Tidenham, Gloucestershire, England

    An International Genealogical Index (IGI) entry "submitted by a member of the LDS Church" indicates that a John HARRIS married a Mary Ann SUFF [sic] on 12 July 1838, Tidenham, Gloucester, England. This is a misreading of an "L" as an "S" as the actual marriage certificate (courtesy of John Ward) shows the name LUFF. Free BMD indicates a marriage between a John HARRIS and a Mary Ann LUFF was registered in the September Quarter 1838, District: Chepstow, Vol 26, Page 59. The Chepstow district (near the Wales/England Border) encompassed Tidenham.

    Note: Research by Adrienne Richards (nee Besley) has uncovered a Godfrey HARRIS, blockmaker, who lived at Lower Church Street, Chepstow and whose son, George, a baker, born in 1818, lived and worked from 9 Beaufort Square, Chepstow. This is almost certainly the same Godfrey Harris who was father of John and George was a younger brother of John. (See Harris Family).

    Children (not necessarily in correct order of birth - see note below):

    1. Elizabeth (Bessie) HARRIS (b 1838/9, Wales)
    2. Ida HARRIS (b 1841, Wales)
    3. Jane HARRIS (b 18 January 1844, Wales - full details below)
    4. Annie HARRIS (b 18 January 1844, Wales - twin)
    5. Godfrey HARRIS (b 1846, Wales; d 29 August 1914, 68y, at New Parkside, SA)
    6. Oliver HARRIS (b 1847, Wales)
    7. Mary Ann HARRIS (b 13 February 1850, Port Adelaide, South Australia)
    The early deaths of both John HARRIS (44y) and Mary Ann LUFF (40y) are recorded in an entry on the First Families 2001 website submitted by Beryl Cross [NOTE: this website has been removed because of privacy concerns but an archived copy can be accessed, with much difficulty, at the National Library of Australia Pandora site]. Curiously there appears to be no record of these deaths on the SA Register of Deaths. The burial details, above, are from Alberton Cemetery records (see Sources below).

    Another curiosity from the Alberton Cemetery records is that a Mary Jane HARRIS, age 4y 3m, from Le Fevre Peninsula, was buried on 15 March 1853 in Lease 17, Alberton Cemetery. An IGI entry ("submitted after 1991 by a member of the LDS Church") records the birth of a Mary Jane HARRIS on 19 June 1848 at Kensington, Adelaide, South Australia, Australia - father John HARRIS, mother Mary Ann MILLS. No other details (including source) are provided.

    It is possible that John HARRIS remarried after the death of Mary Ann LUFF. A John HARRIS, 43y, widower, married Sarah THOMAS (nee OSBORN), 38y, widow at Trinity Church, Adelaide on 8 February 1853. They appear to have had one child, Sarah Osborn Thomas HARRIS b 16 May 1854, Adelaide. Like some of the other Harris children Sarah (the younger) appears to have moved to Victoria after her marriage. She married Richard WILTON at Port Adelaide in 1872 (they had 5 children in Victoria) and she died in Warrnambool, Victoria. (Note that part of the information about "the Sarahs" comes from an entry by Dorothy Perrin on World Connect and an IGI entry by Beverley Laurissen).

    Beryl Cross has also included information on the First Families site about James BODEY (who married Jane HARRIS's twin sister Annie) and George Paine (who married a sister of James BODEY).

    Death of John Harris

    The cause of John Harris's premature death is recorded in the following report of a Coroner's Inquest:

    DELIRIUM TREMENS. - Another instance of the fatal effects of intemperance has just occurred at Port Adelaide. A person named John Harris, who kept a shop on the North-parade, expired suddenly on Monday night, in consequence of his excesses. Mr. Stevenson, on Tuesday, made an enquiry into the facts, and being satisfied from the testimony of various persons acquainted with them, and having received a certificate from the medical man who attended Mr. Harris that he died of delirium tremens, and there being no marks of violence upon the body, the usual order for Interment was issued.

    South Australian Register (Adelaide, SA) Wednesday 28 November 1855 p.3


    Notes on some of the children of John HARRIS and Mary Ann LUFF:
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    Elizabeth (Bessie) HARRIS married Samuel JACKA (stovemaker - source: BISA), 23y, (father William JACKA) on 12 July 1862 at the residence of E H Butlers, Alberton (PtAd b51 b147). Their children included:

    1. Florence Annie JACKA (b 11 May 1863, Adelaide)
    2. Ida May JACKA (b 16 May 1865, Adelaide; buried 18 November 1876, Melrose)
    3. Samuel Williams JACKA (b 18 June 1868, Adelaide)
    4. Elizabeth Jane JACKA (b 26 October 1870, Adelaide)
    5. Rose Maud JACKA (b 2 May 1875, Adelaide)
    6. Lilly Bessie JACKA (b 25 January 1878, Adelaide)
    It is worth noting that Florence Annie Jacka married George HILL (f Thomas, m Harriet BAILEY) on 29 Jan 1889. Their daughter, Ida May Hill (23y) married Francis Vivian DUNSTAN (father Walter) on 15 Jan 1916 at the residence of Mrs George Hill (the bride's mother), Parkside (Ade b266 p134). Francis and Ida were the parents of South Australian Labour Premier, Donald Allan Dunstan (born Suva, Fiji, 21 September 1926; d 6 February 1999, Norwood, South Australia).

    Ida HARRIS married William HAYES (or HAY), 34y (father David HAYES), on 12 October 1876 at St Lukes (Anglican) Church, Adelaide). Note: according to my mother's notes Ida Harris had lived with William ELLIS before marrying William HAYES. The early liaison might have resulted in a child - William Ellis [HARRIS] born (unregistered) in Victoria in 1863. This child, later named William Ellis HAY, was the founder of the South Australian Brush Company (SABCO) - source: Obituary of William Ellis Hay and accompanying notes in Diary of Oliver Percival Luff Payne.

    Jane HARRIS details below

    Annie HARRIS (Jane's twin) married James BODEY, 25y (father John BODEY), on 6 October 1869 at the residence of George Paine, Mt Gambier, South Australia. According to a First Families 2001 entry (by Beryl Cross) Annie and James had 11 children - Ida Jane (b 19 August 1870, Naracoorte, SA), James Harris (b 13 November 1872, Naracoorte, SA), Herbert John (b 9 May 1874, Naracoorte, SA), Walter, Oliver Evan, Bessie, Emma Annie, Matthew George Ernest, twins Henry and Florence (died as infants) and Alice Ethel.

    Godfrey HARRIS, 24y, married Agnes Shaw WILSON, 22y (f John WILSON), 8 May 1870 at Wesleyan Church, Adelaide, SA. Their children included:

    1. Evelyn May HARRIS b 21 August 1872 at Portland Estate (Port Adelaide), SA
    2. Howard Oliver HARRIS b 23 July 1874 at Stepney, SA
    3. Gertrude Ellen Ida HARRIS b 27 April 1876 at Stepney, SA
    4. Lillian Agnes HARRIS b 30 August 1877 at Stepney, SA
    5. Elsie Maud HARRIS b 13 September 1879 at Norwood, SA
    6. Violet Mary HARRIS b 6 June 1881 at Norwood, SA
    7. Reginald Vane HARRIS b 16 September 1883 at Norwood, SA; m Julia Eugenie ?; d 30 December 1955, Adelaide
    8. Bessie Hilda Clarissa HARRIS b 18 June 1885 at Norwood, SA
    9. Annie HARRIS b 24 July 1887 at Norwood, SA

    Oliver HARRIS, 33y, married Fanny Hellen GIDEON, 22y (father Lewis GIDEON), 26 June 1880 at Norwood and (according to my mother's notes) went to live in Victoria. They had at least one child in South Australia - Louis John HARRIS, b 16 April 1887 at Norwood.

    Mary Ann HARRIS appears to have been the only child of John Evan Harris and Mary Ann Luff born in Australia. She married William Francis Ewen McARTHUR, 30y (father Robert MacGregor McARTHUR), on 25 June 1874 at the residence of Mrs Ellis, Norwood. They had one child in South Australia, Lillian Maud McARTHUR (b 28 September 1874, Adelaide). According to my mother's notes the family went to live in Victoria.


    Note that the birth dates of Elizabeth, Ida, Godfrey and Oliver Harris have been deduced from their SA marriage records. Free BMD indicates the following references:
    • Births September Quarter 1838 - HARRIS Elizabeth, Swansea, vol 26, p422
    • Births September Quarter 1841 - HARRIS Ida, Swansea, vol 26 p465;
    • Births March Quarter 1844 - HARRIS Jane, Swansea, vol 26, p499; HARRIS Ann, Swansea, vol 26, p49[94]
    • Births June Quarter 1846 - HARRIS Godfrey, Swansea vol 26, p554
    • Births March Quarter 1848 - HARRIS Oliver, Swansea vol 26, p[35]07


    Jane Harris - 1919

    Jane HARRIS

    Father: John Evan HARRIS
    Mother: Mary Ann LUFF

    Family: Randolph George Stewart PAYNE
    Marriage: 26 June 1871, South Australia
    Children:

    1. Ernest Edgar Leonard PAYNE (1872-1908)
    2. John Randolph Stewart PAYNE (b 19 October 1873, d 2 August 1902)
    3. Oliver Percival Luff PAYNE (b 22 April 1875, d 9 September 1954)
    4. Edith Bessie PAYNE (DABOVICH) (b 13 October 1879, d 1 September 1959)
    5. Ethel Annie PAYNE (b 24 September 1880, d 24 March 1889)
    6. Emmeline Clara PAYNE (b 23 October 1882, d 31 January 1967)
    7. Hubert Edward Harris PAYNE (b 5 March 1884, d February 1957)
    8. Alexander Russell PAYNE (b 10 May 1886, d 1927)
    9. Ross Campbell PAYNE (10 May 1886, d 1964)

    Sources:


    Some South Australian Families

    Updated 29 September 2011