Some South Australian Families
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Family: Marie Anne PROYE
Family 1: Bethia GIBSON (b ~ 1721, Scotland; d before June 1776) - possibly christened 28 March 1714, Canongate, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland; f John Gibson; m Jean Fin(d)lay (IGI Batch no: C119996)
Family 1: Janet MARSHALL (birth unknown, possibly ~ 1742, Scotland; d before December 1781) - father William MARSHALL (IGI Batch No: M119879)
NOTE (15 March 2007): New data (to be integrated into this page asap) from Anthony Springall and Penny Cazaly tends to suggest that there was indeed "another" John Carlier - son of Jean Carlier and Bethia Gibson (see earlier discussion below). I've included this John Carlier "a weaver from Picardy" (Edinburgh) - according to his marriage record to Janet Marshall - as a putative ancestor on the balance of probabilities but further research is necessary. Thanks to Anthony and Penny!
Note: The above details of William CARLIER's antecedents have been largely extracted from Rlly's Généalogie protestante en Picardie. Rlly shows the religion of the above Carlier families as Protestant (Huguenot). Rlly (personal communication) points out that, although Jean Carlier's birth and christening dates are shown as August, his baptism entry follows an entry for 28 August 1718 and the one following is for 12 September so it is assumed that the priest made a mistake with the month. Rlly notes that there are a number of such errors in the Templeux-le-Guérard parish records.
The (UK) National Archives DocumentsOnline (Wills) has an image of the Will of John Carlier, Merchant of Edinburgh , Mid Lothian 14 April 1798 (PROB 11/1305) which demonstrates the connection between the Jean/John Carlier above, Janet Marshall (described as "my first wife"), sons John and William and Elizabeth Gardner.
Initially Rlly (source: Springall) cited the GIBSON and GARDNER marriages but appeared to be unaware of the MARSHALL marriage. Caz (using data supplied by Reg Carlier) cited the GIBSON and MARSHALL marriages without the GARDNER marriage. Both initially assumed Jean and John are the same person but it is unlikely that Jean Carlier (b 1718) and John Carlier (d 1798) are the same person.
It is possible that Janet Marshall was born in Edinburgh on 20 July 1742, daughter of William Marshall and Ann Henderson (IGI C119801) who married in Edinburgh on 23 May 1736 (IGI M119828) but this is entirely speculative.
Family: Christian BRAIMER
Note: Family folklore was that John Carlier was French, even a French sea captain but, as these records show, he was of French ancestry but born in Scotland, as was his father, William. There would appear to be a strong use of given and family names such as William, Christian, Braimer, Janet, Richard and Elizabeth (as well as John) within this family and John Carlier and Ann Eliza Burnett continued the tradition when naming their children (see below).
The Scottish Book Trade Index contains the following entry for William Carlier:
If this is the same William Carlier (the Aberdeen dates seem to correspond with the birth dates of his Aberdeen born children) then the link with a Burnett family provides a clue to how John Carlier and Anne Burnett might have met.
John Carlier's younger brother, David (with wife Eliza), migrated to Australia in May 1853 on the Prince Arthur (Unassisted Immigrants to Victoria in Vic PRO). It appears that David ran a private school in Aberdeen Street, West Geelong (Victoria Post Office Directory 1891-1892). Eliza Carlier (nee Mount) died in Victoria in 1876 (62y) - birthplace shown as Sheffield (record no 8986)
Family: Ann Eliza BURNETT
Notes on the children and grandchildren of John CARLIER and Anne Eliza BURNETT:
Annie Louisa CARLIER b about 1842? England?; m David George (Jack) SANDS (father David SANDS), 13 April 1861, St Lukes, Adelaide, South Australia. David SANDS was a postmaster and a telegraph operator. Their children (all born in South Australia) included:
Richard Braimer CARLIER b 22 December 1846, England; c 15 September 1847, Old Church, Saint Pancras, London, England; m Emma Amy HOSKINS, 24y (f William Henry HOSKINS), on 2 March 1871 at the residence of Richard Carlier, Kent Town, South Australia. Their children included:
Ada Alma CARLIER married John FORD (d 9 September 1954, SA). Their children (according to death notice) were named Keith, Gordon and Malcolm.
Walter Burich CARLIER married May Hannah WISTRAND-WILSON (nee NORTHEY), 1900, Broken Hill, NSW. Their children included Alma Beatrice CARLIER (b 4 June 1901, Willaston) who married Leslie F BUCK in Broken Hill in 1923.
John CARLIER married (22y) Johanna Christina LOECHNER, 23y (f Thomas LOECHNER) at St Pauls Church, Adelaide on 29 October 1868. They had the following children:
Walter CARLIER married Mary Ann (or Marian) Catherine (or Caroline) Agnes RYAN. Their children included Charles Edward CARLIER b 20 July 1891, Hyde Park.
Frederick CARLIER married Alice May FOREMAN. Their children included Frederick Gladstone CARLIER (b 10 November 1905, Goodwood Park; d [66y] 25 June 1972; buried Centennial Park, SA).
Arthur William CARLIER (b 5 December 1850, South Australia; d 28 July 1899) was a butcher and a publican in NSW. He married Emma AMEY (f Charles AMEY; m Charlotte DEAN) at Saddleworth, SA. Emma AMEY was born on 27 November 1853 at Tea Tree Gully, South Australia. Their children included:
Arthur William CARLIER (senior, b 1850) died in Broken Hill on 28 July 1899 and is buried in Broken Hill.
Augusta CARLIER d 20 July 1854, Adelaide, South Australia. It is assumed that this was a stillborn (or short lived) daughter of John and Anne Carlier. No other details (eg age, father's name, place of birth) were recorded. There is also no birth record for this child.
Alma Roberta CARLIER (b 19 April 1855; d 11 September 1922)
Elizabeth Burnette CARLIER (b 3 January 1859, d 24 June 1886), 16y, married her cousin Frederick Burnett CASS (father William Benstead CASS, mother Mary Elizabeth BURNETT - Ann's sister), 14 October 1874 at the residence of Henry Barnes, Adelaide. Frederick worked as a railway employee at Port Pirie. Their children included:
It would appear that two other "Carliers" migrated to South Australia and might have been related to John Carlier given the similarity between the names of their children and those of John and Anne.
It is entirely possible that Arthur William CARLIER is another son of Richard William CARLIER and Elizabeth WRIGHT whose birth was not recorded (or the record has been lost).
Family: Henry BARNES
|_ John CARLIER ______||||
||--Alma Roberta CARLIER|
||_Ann Eliza BURNETT||||
Some South Australian Families
Updated 3 November 2009